Speaker 1
Good Saturday morning to everybody and welcome to your next chapter, a production of Avery Heights Senior Living Community. Avery Heights is a 43-acre senior living community with a full continuum of care, including independent and assisted living, memory care, and a whole lot more. Now, this show will provide helpful tips and resources for older adults that will empower and encourage you in your life journey.

From topics related to physical and emotional health, financial health, senior living communities, and a whole lot more. along with Siobhan Mattingly. I’m Gary Byron.

Siobhan, how are you?

Speaker 2
I’m good.

Speaker 1
It’s good to see you.

Speaker 2
Good to see you.

Speaker 1
How was your week?

Speaker 2
It was good. It was good. I’m doing a lot of planning. We’re heading to Disney.

Speaker 1
Oh, I remember you mentioned that. When do you leave?

Speaker 2
In two weeks.

Speaker 1
Okay. So is Disney, the weather down there I know is, a buddy of mine just came back from Disney. Literally, I haven’t even seen him yet, but I know he came back Saturday. No, not today, it’s Saturday. I mean, a week ago Saturday.

Speaker 2
Yep.

Speaker 1
And he said that the lines are crazy unless you get some, they have a new, maybe it’s not new.

Speaker 2
Disney Genie Pass.

Speaker 1
Okay, yes, yes.

Speaker 2
Yeah.

Speaker 1
Where you jump to the front of the line. Yes.

Speaker 2
You plan it out on your app and then you arrive when it tells you, like at 10 o’clock, I’m going on that ride. It’s actually really cool. I went years ago with my son and I remember we had to stand in line, like the fast line or whatever. And now it’s something where you actually have this genie thing and say like 10 o’clock and then you go back. It’s pretty cool.

Speaker 1
So you’re not wasting half your day standing in line for a two-minute ride.

Speaker 2
Exactly. But it’s a lot of planning with COVID to go to Disney now. You have to book all your parks.

You have to book like everything you’re going to do, all your restaurant stuff. There’s no impulse. There’s no impulse.

Why? You can’t go. Hey, because of COVID.

They want to know how many people are going to be there.

Speaker 1
In fact, it wasn’t even as prevalent down there as it was up here.

Speaker 2
I think that they’re planning ahead. Like, what if we have, you know, something going on? And so if I’m booked for that park, they can reach out to me and say, hey, today we’re closed because of X, Y, Z. I think that’s why.

Speaker 1
What if, what if, what if?

Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. It’s a lot of planning. But they are amazing, though.

I called up on a Sunday. And this guy on the phone, and he walked me through everything. Like, I had all these plans.

He goes, no. He goes, do you mind if I switch everything around? And he told me which parks to go to on what day and how to do it. And he was really cool.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1
See, look, you know all about this. I guess you have to because you’re leaving.

Speaker 2
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

But it’s a lot of work to go to Disney. And it’s super expensive now, too. So, yeah, when I went with my son, it was like half the cost.

Speaker 1
Right? It’s like $100 to get in right now.

Speaker 2
Oh, the park you met. I’m sorry. I thought you meant the whole trip. Oh, no. No.

Speaker 1
No, like each park, it’s like $100 to get in, isn’t it?

Speaker 2
I don’t know. I got a package. And the package was pretty expensive. Yeah.

Speaker 1
Like a package for like each of the parks? There’s three, right? There’s the Epcot.

Speaker 2
There’s Epcot, Magic Kingdom.

Speaker 1
And in the movie studio.

Speaker 2
In the movie, but there’s one more. Oh, there’s four now. Yeah, there’s four.

Animal Kingdom. Animal Kingdom. That’s Busch Gardens, isn’t it?

No, no. Busch Gardens is a whole other company.

Speaker 1
Oh, I don’t know what I’m living under a rock.

Speaker 2
When you decide to go.

Speaker 1
Let me put my Spotify on and my flip phone. Good Lord. I’m going to put my CD deck on in my car. I don’t know okay I’ll take your word for it

Speaker 2
you have to have all these apps on my phone I got two apps for it on my phone and yeah it’s intense

Speaker 1
now can you still see Mickey Mouse?

Speaker 2
yes yes actually we’re having breakfast with Mickey and Minnie and a bunch of the characters we’re having brunch with them I’m really excited I’m like a little kid my daughter’s 13 my stepdaughter is 20 she’s 22 now and I think my stepdaughter and I are more excited than my daughter Because I said to her, do you want to do the character breakfast? And my stepdaughter was like, yes. And then she picked them all out, which ones she wanted to do.

She’s never gone. She never got to go as a kid. Oh, well, then there.

Okay. Well, that explains it. Yes, yes.

Character breakfast. Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1
You get to pick any of the ones that you want.

Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. It’s really fun. I did it with my son.

My son’s 30 now, so he’s a little bit older. I have a huge gap between kids, but it was really fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1
This is something, in order to do everything you want to do, you’ve got to get there. What time do they open? Like 8 o’clock?

Speaker 2
Well, they do, but again, because you pay for the package and because you have all these genie passes and all this stuff, I paid for everything to make it convenient. I really don’t. I can plan out what time I’m going to get there. You can go there early, too.

Because if you stay on campus, you can go at, I think it’s like 6 or 7 a.m., and it’s before the parks open. There’s like an hour that you can go, and that’s the best time to go. I did that with my son, and there was no one there.

It was really good. But funny story, the one person I’m in line with behind me worked at Fox 61 and was from Connecticut. Who was it?

I can’t even remember. It was one of the people that worked there, but it was hysterical.

Speaker 1
Because I worked there for nine years.

Speaker 2
I can’t remember. This was years ago. My son was like seven years old.

So this was years ago. But it was hysterical of all the people I’m in line with. And I turned around and I was like, whoa.

Speaker 1
I have a similar story. I went, all right, so in 1990, 32 years ago, I went to the spring break in Daytona Beach with a bunch of buddies of mine. Yeah.

You know, college crazy. We took a day and we went to Disney because one of the people that was with us, like your stepdaughter, right? Yes.

She’d never been to Disney. Never yet. Never been to Disney.

Yeah. And we’re like, all right, it’s one day, it’s one day, all right, we’ll go. So we’re in line.

Actually, this is the main entrance to get in. Yeah. And somebody said, I don’t know your name, but do you, either you look like somebody that I know of or you’re him, but I don’t know his name.

And I’m like, all right, try me. It’s just a total stranger. And he goes, first, what state are you from?

And I go, Connecticut. And he goes, it’s you. And I’m like, okay.

And he goes, do you ever go on the Berlin Turnpike? And I’m like, oh, no. Oh, I live in Newington.

Speaker 2
I know. But the Berlin. Well, anyway.

Speaker 1
Well, yeah, because back then, all the no tell motels. Right. Yes, I know.

Speaker 2
Back then. Yeah.

Speaker 1
But we used to race cars on the Berlin Turnpike.

Speaker 2
They still do. Yeah.

Speaker 1
Well, not as much as they used. They cut back on that.

Speaker 2
They have the ATVs now.

Speaker 1
Yes, I know.

Speaker 2
That’s a huge thing.

Speaker 1
That I don’t get on.

Speaker 2
Yeah.

Speaker 1
So I’m like, oh, my God. This is my neck of the woods. It probably is me.

He goes, what is your name? I don’t know. my name is Gary.

And he goes, I just see you every now and then up there. And I’m like, and he introduces himself. He goes, yeah, I live in, I don’t know, Meriden or something like that.

And I’m like, well, nice to meet you.

Speaker 2
Do you start to back up though? Well, you’re from Connecticut. I know you backed up. Cause like, wait a minute. You’re not, you know,

Speaker 1
wait a minute. It was bizarre. And my friends were like, only you, Gary.

That was bizarre. You’re in Florida. You’re in Disney.

And some guy recognizes you from, you know, the Berlin.

Speaker 2
That’s my family always says they were like, Only you would have this experience. It’s crazy. Yeah.

You’re 1,500 miles away. Yeah. The problem is, you as well, I have, I mean, I have a unique look.

I’m not bragging or anything like that. You and I both. So people recognize me, you know, like even from high school.

But I don’t usually recognize other people. I ran into someone the other day at hockey, and she was like, oh, my gosh, Samad. And I’m like, yes, it’s you.

Speaker 1
Oh, my God. Okay, so along those lines, I was at the West Farms Mall Christmas shopping one time. That was about 10 years ago.

Speaker 2
And people are out of context.

Speaker 1
Well, to make it worse, I must have been gazing out, thinking. So evidently, there was a person there who I did know because, I don’t know, like a year, maybe not a year, maybe almost a year later, he’s kind of giving me the cold shoulder. I’m like, did I do something, buddy?

And he goes, all right. You kind of did, Gary. And I’m like, oh, my God, I’m so sorry.

I don’t even know what I – what did I do? Please tell me. It’s unbeknownst to me.

And he goes, you know, I saw you one day at the mall, and you looked right at me, and I’m kind of waving at you, and you just completely ignored me like you didn’t even know me. And I said, well, first of all, that’s not my character. I probably wasn’t even paying attention.

Gary, you looked right at me, and I go, I don’t even know what to say to that. I go, I hate to admit this, I was probably not even looking at you, but thinking and just staring. I can’t articulate this.

I go, but why would I ignore you? You’re, you know, you’re, I mean, I won’t say we’re not tight buddies, but a good acquaintance of mine. I know we know each other.

And I said, well, number one, there’s no malice here. Please forgive me. And oh, my goodness, you’ve done nothing.

And I apologize for that. And he goes, oh, okay. So I’m just, yeah, no problem.

I’m glad I ran into you then. And he says, but yeah, I was always wondering what I ever did to you. I’m like, nothing.

Speaker 2
Yeah, people do get upset if you don’t recognize them. Yeah. I have my husband and my daughter programmed.

If I don’t say their name, that means I don’t know it. So if I say, hey, this is my daughter, Bella, she needs to say, hi. And you are.

Speaker 1
Yeah.

Speaker 2
How do you know my mother?

Speaker 1
That’s a great plan.

Speaker 2
You got to program the close people around you to pick up on the queue. Because otherwise, yes.

Speaker 1
I’m going to do that. I got my little guy, AJ. Yes.

So if I forget. Yeah. How do you know my mom?

Speaker 2
How do you know my dad? How do you remember the dad? Yeah.

Speaker 1
Yes. All right. So I got to come up with a code word for him.

Speaker 2
Oh, no. If you don’t introduce him. So if you say, hey, this is my son, AJ. And then he puts his hand.

He says, hey, how do you know my dad? And then they’ll say, hey, I know him from. And usually if they say where they know you from, then the stories start to.

It’s almost like data on Star Trek. All the stories start to roll in. Oh, I know you from.

Oh, I knew your dad in high school. Oh, and sometimes it’s not good stories.

Speaker 1
So just try to hide your face.

Speaker 2
It’s like, oh, this guy.

Speaker 1
Yeah, like the story I just shared with you. Oh, my goodness. I’m going to use that.

Look at this. I’m so glad that we’re here with each other this morning. I’ve got all these wonderful ideas.

What’s going on over at Avery Heights?

Speaker 2
Good stuff. Good stuff. We had National Assisted Living Week, and part of that theme this year was joyful moments.

So we just honored our staff. We did a whole staff appreciation on Friday. We had massage, chair massage.

We had essential oils where they got free, like scrub for their hands. And she actually made a special joyful blend, which was really cool. And then we had special like craft cupcakes, macaroons, which were to die for.

Elky Short and Sweet, little shout out. She’s amazing. And then she made these little like shooters.

And they were like strawberry shortcake and pumpkin mousse. You can tell them all about the food. But it was really cool.

Always. Our staff, you know, our aides, our nurses, our line staff, which is like our dining room staff, just everybody came down. And we had hostesses that were there.

And as they came down, we said, you know, thank you for all you do. And it was just so we’re going to try to do something now once a quarter because it’s, you know, not just National Assisted Living Week. It was really good.

And it felt good. You know, they work hard, especially now with the shortage and, you know, people just don’t want to work. And so and our staff just double times it all the time.

And double times it with a smile. And that’s, it’s one thing to work the hours and go, oh, I’m working at that. You know, but it’s another thing, you know, the girl at the front desk even said to me, she goes, I asked her to do something that was kind of outside of her realm a little bit.

And she said, hey, we’re a team here, you know.

Speaker 1
That’s great.

Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1
I like hearing that. Siobhan, tell me about the five wishes.

Speaker 2
So the five wishes, I used to work in hospice, as I had mentioned. And I did a presentation on this many, many times. It’s so important to have your advanced care planning done.

A lot of people don’t. And it’s really because I worked in hospice, I saw what happens when you don’t have your advanced care planning, meaning, you know, someone who’s going to be your health care proxy or your power of attorney. You don’t have your will done when you don’t have these things done. It just and who wants to do this stuff?

You know, no one wants to plan for the end, but it’s important to do so. So this booklet makes it super simple. You don’t have to go to an attorney.

You don’t have to read all sorts of stuff that you don’t understand. It’s really, really basic. And it’s legal and it’s legal.

And it’s binding. You know, yeah.

Speaker 1
You know, I’m a little surprised because I, obviously this is radio. There’s no visual here. But I have this in my hands.

It’s, I don’t know how many pages, maybe 15 or so pages. It’s not a real thick book yet. It’s legal.

You’re saying it’s a legal document. It’s legal, yeah. It’s not a lot of heavy reading here.

Speaker 2
And it’s in regular, you know, common.

Speaker 1
Commonese, right? Not legalese. It’s the common vernacular.

Speaker 2
Yeah.

Speaker 1
All right. I’m going to start off, I guess, this morning with you on this topic with something that’s pretty elementary. Let’s start off with what define it. What exactly is advanced care planning?

Speaker 2
So it’s definitely an ongoing process. So it’s something that you should start early. Like for myself, I’m in my 50s. I’ll admit it.

And this is when, you know, you could even start earlier than that. But it’s all about the end of life. It’s like, what do you want to happen?

You know, what are your values? What are your goals for the end? You know, having worked in hospice, I hate to, you know, it’s going to sound weird, but I saw some beautiful passings.

I saw some beautiful quality end of life. And your whole life we plan, right? We plan our weddings.

We plan college. We even plan our retirement. We were just talking about retirement earlier.

But we don’t plan our end of life because we think it’s just going to, all of us want to go in our sleep, right?

Speaker 1
But if it were up to me, I would sign up for that.

Speaker 2
That’s not in the book. Just doesn’t work that way. We don’t get to choose.

Doesn’t work that way. But it’s also definitely a discussion that you should have. Even though you’re using the book, you should still have it with professionals, such as your doctor, elder law attorneys, financial planners, and, you know, non-professionals like people, your loved ones.

So you still should have a discussion with people, the people that are valuable in your life. And then you document it all in this book. Yeah.

Yeah. So it’s something really good to have.

Speaker 1
All right. So that’s what then. All right.

So then I get what that is. What is now the Five Wishes program? And actually, how does it even help with people with this challenge?

Speaker 2
Yeah. So what it does is it makes it simple. You know, it’s a scary thing.

And it makes it friendly, too. You know, it makes it so it’s not so daunting. You know, just simple questions like, what music do you want?

You know, like real questions. And that’s one of the things in hospice when we did intake. Those are the questions we would ask.

By the time you’re at the end, though, it’s just overwhelming. And so if you document this earlier, and we do all have a vision of how we want to pass, right? You know, I know for myself, I want them to have a celebration, a life celebration.

I don’t necessarily want, you know, back in the day I did because I was, you know, selfish. I wanted certain people to be upset. But now I really want people to be happy and tell funny stories.

You’ll be there. You’ll tell this story. I remember when I was interviewing her, you know.

Speaker 1
You wouldn’t happen to be Irish, are you?

Speaker 2
Actually, I am. Are you really? Siobhan.

Yeah. Oh, that’s true. Yes.

Well, of course, Siobhan. I would say just enough to have the name. Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 1
Well, you know what an Irish funeral is, right?

Speaker 2
I think those are awesome. I mean, this is.

Speaker 1
That’s exactly what it is.

Speaker 2
New Orleans is the same kind of way. It’s a celebration. And it should be, in my opinion, it should be that way. I want people to tell happy stories about me and laugh at me. My friends probably will have a whole host of stories, and I want that to be.

Speaker 1
That is an Irish, and I say this because I’m part Irish, and on my mom’s side, when they do have Irish funerals, and by the way, I’m not embellishing this story. You’re eating and drinking. It’s a party.

And you are sharing funny stories. Yeah. And no one’s leaving.

And it is a celebration of life rather than this doom and gloom kind of morbid. Well, oh, you know, I mean, I don’t want to get into traditions or anything.

Speaker 2
But yeah, well, who wouldn’t? Especially for my family. That’s what’s going to help them.

You know what I mean? It’s going to help them to know it’s okay to move on. It’s going to help them to know it’s okay to laugh.

It’s okay. Because a lot of times when people pass away, people feel like they can’t have any joy. It’s like, oh, my gosh, I’m laughing, but so-and-so has just died, you know, as opposed to laughing, you know, and having fun, you know?

Yeah.

Speaker 1
Who developed this, by the way?

Speaker 2
This was developed by a wonderful gentleman, Jim Toey, and he was actually an attorney, and he was actually the attorney for Mother Teresa for 12 years. How do you get that gig? Yes, right?

Yep, yep, until her death. And so he wanted to give back. He wanted to do something.

So he created this organization called Aging with Dignity. He did this along with other doctors and nurses and lawyers. Because obviously hospice is all about passing, quality passing and quality death, quality of life even at the end.

And so he wanted to develop a program so people could put together their advanced directors. So it’s almost like what I love about it is that he saw a need and he fulfilled it.

Speaker 1
Boy, I’d like to have that on my resume. By the way, if Mother Teresa could hire me, then I must be good. I mean, you know.

Speaker 2
What a heart.

Speaker 1
Oh, my gosh. If you’re good enough for Mother Teresa. Yeah. All right.

Speaker 2
Yes.

Speaker 1
All right. So let’s go right into it. Can you list then what the five wishes are?

Speaker 2
Absolutely. So the first one is the person you want to make your health care decisions for you and when you cannot make them. The second one is the kind of medical treatment you want or do not want.

The third one is how comfortable do you want to be? And the fourth one is how you want people to treat you. And the fifth one is what you want your loved ones to know.

and these are all good questions i mean again having come from hospice it’s like these are the things that people don’t know and it’s stress oh my gosh the people that are going to be left behind it stresses them out because they should be should we cremate should we not cremate should we have a licefurb should we have a funeral who should be there who should be there at the person’s bedside because a lot of times people come out of the woodwork you know cousin ann that that i don’t want to be there you know it’s it’s so it’s important and it’s very detailed what you want to have.

Speaker 1
I was right about to say it looks like you’re covering issues or questions that most people would just, oh, wow, I didn’t even think of that. Yes. Folks, you are listening to your next chapter.

This is a production of Avery Heights Senior Living along with Siobhan Mattingly. I’m Gary Byron. Is the Five Wishes, though, I thought I heard you say this.

I just want to make sure I heard correctly. Is the directive a legal document?

Speaker 2
It is. Okay, I thought I heard. It is.

It was created by the American Bar Association and the Commission of Law and Aging. And so it is legal. Now, here’s the thing.

In 46 states, it meets all the legal requirements. In the other three states, it’s kind of you really have to look into the booklet. And on I think it’s like page three of the booklet, it actually tells you what goes on with those states.

So some of the states, it doesn’t, you know, you have to have other people involved. Some of them you have to have them notarized. So it is a little tricky for those other, you know, four states.

I mean, four states, it’s a little tricky for them. But for most of the states, it’s legal, which is good.

Speaker 1
Which right here, five wishes in my state. If you live in the District of Columbia or more states, you can use it. If you live in one of the four states, Kansas, New Hampshire, Ohio, or Texas, you can still use the five of it.

But you may need that extra step. Okay. How do you choose a health care agent?

Speaker 2
So the important thing there is to remember not to choose the person who’s going to be extremely emotional. A lot of times people choose that person who’s close to you. Like I wouldn’t choose my best friend.

You know, I wouldn’t choose some. Yeah. You have to choose the person who is practical, the person that can can kind of not disconnect, but the person that’s going to realize that I love, you know, Siobhan, let’s say Siobhan, for example, and therefore I want to follow her wishes.

Not I love Siobhan so much that maybe I don’t want to be on machines and tubes. You got to pick that person that I hate to say this way, but is OK with pulling that plug. And it’s tough.

And that’s why this takes a while to pick that person. A lot of times people pick that emotional person. And I will tell you as a professional, and, you know, right now I’m in senior living, but even haven’t been in hospice, that is the hardest thing.

Because now you have to get that person to the point where they’re able to make decisions. I’ve had people not be able to make the decisions, not to be able to put the person on hospice, not to be able to maybe put them in a senior living community, not to be able to, you know, have certain treatments or give certain treatments. just not able to make a decision because they’re too emotionally connected and they don’t want to let go. And there’s nothing wrong with those people. And a lot of times people do too. If you hop over that person, they might get insulted, but then you have to explain to them, you know, this is going to be hard. And I did this so that you don’t have to go through that, but you want to pick that practical and you want to pick more than one person. Cause I’ve had it where someone passes away and you didn’t pick a second person. And now you can become a conservative of the state and that is very challenging that person knows nothing about you i can

Speaker 1
before this came out i can almost imagine conflict within the same family particularly with siblings where it’s like no no dad told me that he wanted this no you’re wrong because we were just having dinner about a few months ago and he said no i want this song i don’t want you to do that um i’m Now it’s written down. See, exactly. Yes. And that’s what this does.

Speaker 2
And that’s exactly what happens. And really bigger things like cremation or a casket or, you know, again, DNR, pull that plug or don’t pull the plug. Not to be.

But it’s just like those are. You got to cover everything. Yeah.

Important things. Yeah.

Speaker 1
So once somebody, let’s say, fills everything out in the five wishes packet here and they sign it, then what?

Speaker 2
So depending where you are, you have to have it witnessed or notarized, depending on someplace you just need witnesses and that’s it. Then you want to make sure you give it to everyone that’s close to you. But you also wanted to give it to your health care agent, your doctor, your attorney, and your loved ones.

You want to give it – even if they’re not the person who’s listed as your health care agent, you still want to make sure they have a copy. Everyone you can think of. And then you want to put one – if you’re an older adult, even if you’re not, you want to put one on the fridge so that if the ambulance comes, there it is.

And then they can see, okay, this person is a DNR or whatever these things may be. So you want to make sure everyone has it because the document is not worth anything. If only you have it hidden away, no one has the combination.

It defeats the purpose. It’s like, what’s going on here? So you definitely want to make sure you give it to everybody that you think of.

Speaker 1
When does the advanced directive take effect?

Speaker 2
It takes effect when you can no longer make decisions for yourself, when you’re too ill to communicate, when you’re unable to do so. So you could be, you know, unfortunately in a coma or if your Alzheimer’s and dementia are in late stages. Or you could just be unable to make decisions for yourself.

Sometimes, you know, you know, you unfortunately as older age, you could have, you know, depression or anything like that. So when, you know, a doctor deems you unable to make decisions anymore, this will take effect. So it’s almost just like a POA, a power of attorney.

Speaker 1
Oh, I got another question here. Oh, I bet this happens. What if, I shouldn’t say what if, because I’m sure people are going to do this.

What if somebody changes their mind and they want to change the document or information? I don’t mean as they’re filling it out. Oops, I made a mistake.

I mean they fill it out, submit it. Okay, and time goes by and they go, you know what? Having second thoughts on something, then what?

Speaker 2
So the first two, which are pretty heavy, your healthcare agent and what do you want to happen in the end. So if you want to be a DNR, DNI, which is do not resuscitate, do not intubate, or do not hospitalize. So this is a big, heavy section.

You know, you don’t want to have, you know, be a feeding tube, those things. So those two sections, you want to kind of redo the document because those are heavy. If it’s the last three, then you can just cross off an initial.

But if those first two, you want to redo the document because, you know, you want to make sure you’re not just crossing off, you know, or, you know, putting in whatever it may be. These are heavy, heavy decisions. And then once you do that, you want to go ahead and make sure you get that back out to everybody.

You don’t want to use whiteout. You don’t want to like rip, you know, piece of pages off. Because then that can be questioned.

It’s a legal document.

Speaker 1
Why did that out?

Speaker 2
It truly is a legal document. But the one thing is those last three wishes, you don’t have to be as intense about that.

Speaker 1
I’m curious, though, if you’re are you filling this out alone or are you filling this out with your loved ones, your child, your adult children, your spouse? I can see the pros and cons of each because you can be influenced. Yes.

And something that you may or may not want. But I always tell people that a separate set of eyes or a different train of thought could also help you make a rational decision. Sometimes if we’re just so focused on our – I know I’m guilty of this.

I’ll read something wrong. And it’s like, oh, my – Gary, that’s not what it said. I’ll read it again.

It’s like, oh, you’re right.

Speaker 2
You get what I’m saying?

Speaker 1
Yeah. Should you do this alone or –

Speaker 2
It really depends. It’s like anything. And again, keep referring to hospice.

But what you realize is everyone’s unique. So it’s like anything. It’s like when you’re, I hate to say trivialize it, but if you’re picking a college.

So do you do that alone? Maybe. Maybe sometimes, like if you’re going to, like my daughter wants to go to like California and I’m like, what?

You know, so she’s not going to be making that. I’ll go visit them with her. But clearly when she makes a lesson.

They want to be 3,000 miles away. She’s not going to make that decision with me. So, yeah.

So you want to, it depends. You know, you want to choose those people who are like, and that’s how you weed out and find your health care agent. That person who’s going to be practical is that person who sits there and looks at this with you and helps you make decisions without putting in their own little two cents.

Oh, you’re a DNR. Oh, my gosh. It’s like they understand where you’re coming from.

Speaker 1
This is such a valuable document. It really is. Do all your clients get this?

Speaker 2
We are going to be doing a presentation at Avery Heights, definitely.

Speaker 1
This is brilliant.

Speaker 2
Yeah.

Speaker 1
Really quick. We’re running out of time. How do people find out more information on this?

Speaker 2
So online at fivewishes.org. And you can actually fill this out online as well, which is great. You can order the booklet or fill it out online. I kind of like to do both. I’m kind of like, you know.

Speaker 1
As long as they match up. Yeah. She got one decision here and a different decision there.

Speaker 2
I meant read through the booklet and then fill it out online. Yeah. So I have one in front of me.

Because sometimes like reading online, like you were saying, to understand it better. And then if you don’t, for some reason, if you’re not an online person, just go ahead, give me a call. And I can give you information on how to reach out in terms of phone numbers and so forth.

Speaker 1
So you have been listening to the latest edition of your next chapter, Senior Living with Avery Heights. For more information on today’s topic, the five wishes, please call 866-537-1444. I’ll repeat that for you.

It’s 866-537-1444. Now, the first three callers, you’re going to get a special lunch and tour over at Avery Heights. Wow, great stuff, really, with all of this.

This was a great show. For Siobhan Mattingly, I’m Gary Byron. Thank you so much for listening.

Until next Saturday, have a good one, everybody. Solo. Legenda Adriana Zanotto